Meetings 8
January 2007 5 February 2007 12
March 2007 16 April 2007 14
May 2007 25 May 2007 (Annual Parish
Meeting) 11 June 2007 10
September 2007 15 October 2007 12 November 2007
Archive 2005 2006
Subject Index Alford,
Cllr May Allotments
Mar Ash Road Mar Billings
Hill Shaw May BMX May Burial
Ground Feb, Apr,
Sep - Manor Field Sep Buses
Jan, Feb,
Mar, Apr,
Nov Chairman's
annual report May2 Chantry
Avenue Apr, Nov Cherry Trees Feb,
Apr1, Apr2,
Sep, Nov Church
Road Nov Code of Conduct Sep Committees
May Conifer Avenue Sep Donations
Mar, Sep,
Nov Drains May2 Fairby Lane Mar,
Sep Finance -
Dartford BC support for PCs Jan -
Precept 2008/9 Nov -
Procurement Jan Footpaths -
Caxton Close to Gorsewood Rd Sep -
Stocks Farm to Grange Way Jan Foxborough
Wood Nov Freedom of Information Nov Gas
Pipeline Sep Gorsewood
Apr1, Apr2,
May, Nov Hartley
Court Green Jan Hartley Primary School
Sep Hartley Wood -
Adverse Possession claim Jan, Apr -
Motorbike barrier Jun -
Village Green application Feb, Apr -
Works Mar, Sep HAWK
Youth Jan, Feb,
Apr Interests
of members - Cllr Barnett Mar -
dual hatted members May Kent County
Council Jun Library
Feb, May2 Local
Boards May2 Longfield Hill Apr,
Jun, Sep Manor Drive Feb,
Mar, Apr,
Sep Manor Field - Cricket
Mar, Apr,
May, Jun,
Sep - Gate Mar -
Maintenance Jun -
Parking Feb -
Pavilion Jan, Mar,
Apr, May,
Jun, Sep,
Nov - Scouts' paper collection
Nov Newsletter
Feb Northfield Mar,
Apr, May,
Sep - Football Nov -
Trim Trail Nov - Wind turbine Sep Oast
Way Sep Our Lady of Hartley RC School
Sep Parish Office Sep Parking
May2 Playgrounds Jan,
May, Nov Police May2 Polling
Stations Sep Pond
Jan, Feb,
Mar, Jun,
Sep Post Office Mar,
May, May2,
Nov Publicity
Apr Quakers
Close Feb Rectory Meadow Apr,
May, Jun Round Ash Way Feb Rubbish
Collection May2 Skateboarding
Feb, Mar,
May, Jun Springcroft
Mar, Apr,
May2, Sep,
Nov Stack Lane Feb,
Apr, May2,
Sep, Nov Stoate,
Dr Howard MP May2, Sep URC
Church Sep Village Design Statement Apr Website
Feb, Apr,
Jun, Nov WI Hall Sep,
Nov Wind
Turbines May Youth Jun -
Survey Feb Woodland
Avenue Feb, Apr,
May, May2,
Nov
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12 November 2007 Present Cllrs
Gaywood, Barnett, Mrs Burns, Mrs Cole, Gaywood (chairman), Graeme,
Granger, Harris, Minns, Oxtoby, Ramsay, Sewell
Mrs Hoad (clerk), Cllr Brazier
(KCC), 13 members of the public
1. Interests
2. Minutes of meeting of
10 September 2007 Agreed
3. Public Questions Cllr
Ramsay said Sevenoaks plan to cut £1 million from its budget
in 2008/9
Several local residents said a new wall and gate at Oak Lodge,
Church Road was causing traffic difficulties, particularly for farm
machinery.
Mrs Sharp asked whether the £5,400 left in the KCC member's
yearly fund would be lost if not spent soon.
Dr Cramp asked that KCC be informed of the location of the sewer
in front of the Cherry Trees shops, when considering improvements.
4. Amenities and Open Spaces The minutes of the meeting
of 6 November 2007 were agreed. It discussed:
- Manor Field - (a) a new cleaning schedule for the pavilion
was agreed, which involves additional work; (b) the scouts want
to use the carpark for their paper collection, because Hemesley's
Yard will no longer be available. After concerns raised
at by the public at the meeting, they decided to ask the scouts
if they had tried elsewhere and also what the neighbouring two
properties thought of this.
- Playgounds - they dealt with the risks identified in the
quarterly report, which included glass under roundabouts in
Woodland Avenue and Chantry Avenue and a protruding bolt. They
were unhappy with "unauthorised" nets on the goal
posts at Woodland Avenue.
- Gorsewood - after the risks identified in the arboricultural
survey, they will be seeking quotations.
- Hartley Wood - a private owner said they were having difficulty
getting public liability insurance, council to see if they can
be covered on the council's insurance.
- Foxborough Wood - council to pay to find out where the boundary
of their land is.
- Allotments - £116 to deal with rat infestation
5. Communications The minutes of the meeting of 29
October were approved. It discussed:
- Annual report - quotation of £554 for printing and
delivery from Ash Printing and Setting agreed.
- Information Pack for new residents to be investigated.
- Website - monthly highways spreadsheet to be added if KCC
agree.
6. Finance The minutes of the meeting of 24 October
2007 were agreed. It discussed:
- Precept - they recommended to raise the precept from £96,000
to £100,000 in 2008/9 with a number of expenditure items
being met from reserves.
- Donations - £100 to Scouts
- Post offices - letter of objection to be written on proposed
closures.
7. Highways The minutes of the meeting of 18 October
2007 were agreed. It discussed:
- Springcroft - disagreement between KCC and HPC over cause
of flooding. HPC blame surface run off from Manor Lane,
KCC say it is silt and leaves from Manor Drive run off. Both
agree that the monthly gully clearance of leaves in Manor Lane
and Springcroft by SDC is insufficient in leaf fall period.
- Stack Lane - KCC have spoken to the school, who say they
try to stop parents blocking drives. KCC agree state of
road is poor. They propose levelling and finishing with
tarmac, the school will contribute a small sum and KCC may be
able to contribute something, but so too will the other frontagers.
If agreeable it would be done in August 2008.
- Buses - (a) Earlier bus to Darent Valley Hospital requested,
and an end to the gap between 0730 and 1030 when no bus runs
from Hartley to New Ash Green; (b) Bus Shelters - to be investigated
further, but no funding sources identified.
- Interactive sign - still not working.
8. Planning The minutes of
the meetings of 17 & 31 October were approved. For details
see planning page.
9. Northfield The minutes
of the meeting of 19 October 2007 were noted. It discussed:
- Horse riding - the mowing of the track to separate it from
walkers appears to be working.
- Trim Trail - more quotations to be sought.
- Football - there are doubts as to whether they still have
planning permisssion for this. Ash members want football,
Hartley say there is no proven need, pointing to the available
pitch at Manor Field. They did agree to let New Ash Green
Junior FC use the play area until the end of the season, with
temporary markings and goalposts to be removed after the match.
- Barnett's Wood - they agreed to pay Independent Woodland
Management £1,950 for pruning.
10. WI Hall The council
want to do a structural survey, while the WI want the council to
pay their legal costs and an agreement that the Evening and Afternoon
WIs will be able to use the hall free of charge for monthly and
birthday meetings.
At full council they agreed to spend £500 with Hook Consultancy
for a building inspection.
11. Freedom of Information Council
agreed to charge 10p per A4 copy and 40p per A3 copy, but no charge
if total less than £2.
12. Payments Payments of £6,959 for November
were agreed.
10 September 2007 Present Cllrs
Mrs Oxtoby, Mrs Cole, Granger, Sewell, Ramsay, Gaywood (chairman),
Harris, Barnett, Graeme, Abraham
Mrs Hoad (clerk), 10 members
of the public
Apologies Cllrs
Alford, Minns, Mrs Burns, whose reasons were approved by the council.
1 Interests Cllr
Gaywood - chairman's allowance.
2. Minutes of meeting of
9 July 2007 These were agreed without amendment.
3. Adjournment Soil
Association - Dr Roberts asked why they paid £500 to join?
Cllr Gaywood told her to write in to the Northfield Management
Committee.
Treatment of member of public
- Mrs Sharp said following the last meeting she checked, and there
was a hotel sold by Swanley council, but the proceeds are only for
people of Swanley and Hextable. She said she felt she had
been badly treated by the council. Cllr Gaywood apologised
if she felt that, but didn't think that was the case.
Buses - Mr Mayer asked whether
the council had done anything about the cuts in buses from Longfield
to New Ash Green in the morning, where there is now almost a 3 hour
gap. The council said they were unaware of this and Cllr Harris
promised to reply. (shortly after the meeting Mr Mayer received
a full reply from Cllr Harris)
3 Hartley Primary School The
headteacher Mrs Hollingworth and the chairman of the governors,
Mrs Narramore, were both present. Mrs Hollingworth explained
that for years the school had suffered from underinvestment and
that there was a long catalogue of things to be done:
- Screen separating new hall from
old hall needs repair. Hall contravenes fire regulations
- Poor state of classrooms - peeling
paint, 30 year old curtains, rotting wooden partitions, doors
that need replacing, broken tables and chairs,
- Poor state of paths and car park
- Inadequate playground provision
for size of school
- No alarm or CCTV
- Unsanitary toilets
- Inadequate power supply, computer
suite has to be run on batteries.
- Staff room too small for 45 staff
However thanks to writing this letter
to everyone, she had positive news to report, that she had a 2½
hour meeting with KCC on 24 July and they have started 6 projects
in the summer holidays. She thanked council for their support.
Cllr Gaywood said "we can nag people day and night",
which the council is good at. Cllr Harris said "tongue
in cheek" that KCC had spent £48,000 to improve their
"brand".
4. Amenities and Open Spaces The
minutes of the meeting of 18 July 2007 were approved. It discussed:
- Cricket - committee recommended
allowing the club to install a net by the proposed burial ground
at Manor Field (approved by full council 9-0). They deferred
a decision on whether to spend £1,800 on a new electricity
supply for the field at Longfield Hill.
- Pond - the committee recorded
its disappointment with the council's refusal to uphold its
earlier recommendation at the meeting of 5 June. They
have heard from the Friends of the Pond informing them of progress.
They decided to press ahead with an adverse possession
claim on the land.
- Hartley Wood - they felled 3 dead
cherry trees near Pippins, Gorsewood Road, which were on their
land at a cost of £426. Insurers confirm they are
happy with current work, and will cover HPC's woodland up to
£5 million public liability.
- Gorse Wood - KCC have written
to say the footpath from Caxton Close to Gorsewood Road is now
an official right of way.
- Manor Field - (a) they accepted
a quote of £950 from Kevin Abraham to redecorate the outside
of the pavilion. (b) They accepted a quote of £350
from B Ballard to cut hedge on northern boundary.
5. Burial Grounds The minutes of the meeting of 4 September
2007 were approved. It discussed:
- Budget 2008/9 - they bid for £7,525 (2007/8 - £6,475)
- Car Park fees - they recommended continuing to charge £25
for the use of the Manor Field carpark for weddings, funerals
and christenings (approved by full council 9-0).
- Garden of Remembrance - they decided to pay £300 for
bark to improve the appearance.
- All Saints' Churchyard - they met with the PCC representatives,
who explained their plans to create a new road level entrance
when the extension is built. They suggested the council
may like to reduce the hump in the existing path to the burial
ground. The council did not like the hole made by the
archaeological dig so the PCC agreed to slope the sides.
- New Burial Ground - they accepted a quotation from S Judd
for £2,355 to plant a hedge (approved by full council
9-0). At full council Cllr Graeme asked whether there
was any provision for the contractor to replace any plants that
died, in reply Cllr Barnett said there was not.
6. Communications The minutes of the meeting of 30
July 2007 were approved. It decided to continue using Ash
Setting and Printing for their newsletter.
7. Finance The minutes of the meeting of 18 July 2007
were approved, as were all recommendations by 9 votes to 0. It
discussed:
- Personnel - Cllr Ramsay was elected chairman and Cllr Abraham
vice chairman.
- Internal Audit - the council are satisfied with arrangements.
- Parish Office - (a) they recommended buying a new computer
and anti-power surge systems from Wrotham Computer Care Ltd
for £400 + £89. (b) As there were delays realising
they had 1571 phone messages, they would look at equipment provision.
- Donations - they recommended the following - Kenward Trust
(£50), Swanley Volunteer Centre (£50) and nothing
for Vitalise, Open Spaces Society, Children's Trust and West
Kent Mediation.
- Wind Generator - in reply to correspondence received they
recommended not constructing one on Northfield as they said
it was too expensive for the council (it is not clear whether
the writer expected the council to build one or just allow one
there).
8. Highways The minutes of the meetings of 2 August
2007 and 6 September 2007 were approved. They discussed:
- Fairby Lane - 6 residents of Conifer Avenue and Oast Way
say they have used the newly blocked road by right for 20 years.
Referred to Kent County Council.
- Springcroft - flooded again on 20 July. Work at the
Manor Drive / Manor Lane junction to try to alleviate
the problem, but council doubt efficiacy.
- Cherry Trees - they will send parking proposals to KCC which
include the removal of the island.
- Stack Lane - 4 residents from the eastern end of Stack Lane
complained about the state of the road, made worse they said
by volume of cars and deliveries associated with the school.
Committee agreed to write to KCC and the school to inform
them of the situation. KCC replied that road improvements
would be up to the residents.
- Buses - (a) Minor changes to Sunday service noted; (b) They
are going to write to KCC to see if any funding is available
for bus shelters at Wellfield; (c) Following a request from
Cllr Harris, our MP Dr Stoate has contacted the bus company
who say they hope to increase the frequency of the 423 to every
half hour from the end of October, and he is also asking KCC
to install bus time indicators in Hartley. (public
question)
- Ash Road - they recommended a cycle route from New Ash Green,
which would improve safety for schoolchildren. The scheme
proposed works well elsewhere in Kent. Approved by
full council 9-0.
10 Planning The minutes of
the meetings of 25 July, 2 & 22 August were approved. For details
see planning page.
11 Standing Orders and Model Code of Conduct Council
agreed 8-0 (Cllr Cole appeared to abstain) to adopt revised standing
orders and the new model code of conduct.
12 Northfield The minutes
of the meeting of 27 July 2007 were noted. It discussed:
- Play Area - fertilising of grass and weedkilling to cost
£358.
- Horse Riding - continued vandalism of route
- New House Shaw - damage to log barrier, and broken glass
- Single Payment Scheme - they have been accepted for Entry
Level Scheme status, giving them £788 pa. Some discussion
as to whether it was worth going for organic status, Cllr Glover
said they might not be able to spray ragwort if they did. They
decided to join the soil association anyway at £425 pa.
(public question)
- Boundary with Courtfield and Cavan - agreement reached with
landowners to share the cost of two strand barbed wire.
13 Our Lady of Hartley RC School They
have told the council they no longer want a councillor on their
governing body, as they decided on a new constitution and have all
the governors they need.
14 Farningham to Hadlow Gas Pipeline This
goes no nearer than Fawkham, but they may use Ash Road for construction
vehicles. They agreed to write for the Environmental Impact Assessment
(suggested by Cllr Granger) and for more details of the effect on
Hartley.
15 Gardening for wildlife scheme They agreed to sponsor
a £30 prize as they did last year.
16 Polling Stations Sevenoaks
Council asked if they thought the location of any should be changed
in Hartley, but they agreed 9-0 to leave them as they were.
17 Payments Payments for September of £5,524
were agreed.
18 Special Projects The
minutes of the meeting were approved, it discussed:
- URC church - they offered it to the council to rent at £12,000
pa for a restricted use or £16,800 pa for unrestricted,
with the council responsible for repairs and outgoings. They decided
it would be too expensive. Otherwise the church has proposed
either 8 x 2 bed units or 6 x 1 bed units with community hall.
Council decided they supported housing proposed.
- WI Hall - they have offered the hall to the council. The
president said the hall was in good condition and lettings gave
a healthy income, but they were suffering from declining numbers
and now was a good time to donate it to the community. Committee
was in favour of entering negotiations. At full council
Cllr Ramsay said it was a generous offer, while Mrs Hoad reported
the WI had voted 51-4 in favour. They decided to set up
a committee of Cllrs Harris, Ramsay and Abraham to look into
it.
- New Burial Ground - discussions about the covenants on the
land but the public were excluded from both meetings.
9 July 2007 Present
Apologies
1. Interests Cllr Ramsay - item 11 of payments; Hoselands
Green (personal as member of Sevenoaks Cabinet) Cllr Gaywood
- parking enforcement in rural areas
2. Minutes of meeting of 11 June 2007 These were approved.
3. Adjournment Mr Cramp
referred to the plans to rearrange the parking spaces at Cherry
Trees, and asked why there was no reference to the sewers there?
Mr Spratt raised late night disturbance at Porchester Close.
The police are aware.
4. Burial Grounds The minutes
of the meeting of 18 June 2007 were approved. It discussed:
- Chairman to be Mrs Oxtoby, Cllr Barnett to be vice Chairman
- Fees - they recommended (a) there should be no charge for
approval of a memorial for a child under 12 years (no provision
previously); (b) the Church should be asked about use of car
park to see if £25 pa fee should be raised.
- New garden of remembrance - they agreed to pay £120
to Lewis Solomons for a 13 x 2½ inch bronze plaque. They
recommended forbidding the burial of caskets. It was also
reported that a rope had been stolen from there.
- Closed churchyard - the Church had suggested extending the
water main to the Parish Council's burial ground.
- Insurance - the insurers will extend £5 million public
liability insurance provided the parish council carried out
and recorded regular inspections, the relatives are responsible
for their headstones when possible, if council removes a stone
it should be by their employees.
5. Highways The minutes
of the meeting of 13 June 2007 were approved. It discussed:
- Chairman - Cllr Harris; Vice Chairman - Cllr Granger
- Manor Drive - restricted byway signs to be installed in
next few weeks.
- Fairby Lane - Kent Highways agreed to support closure of
the Ash Road entrance by the residents, on the basis of safety
and that the road had not been established as a public highway.
One resident said they had a private right of way in their
title deeds.
- Cherry Trees - Kent Highways can't fund any works and will
need a plan from the parish council of proposals to remove the
traffic island.
- Parking enforcement - they recommended that Cherry Trees,
the area around the schools and Hartley Green be identified
as areas of problem parking.
- The Parade, Ash Road - following a complaint about litter,
they recommended asking Sevenoaks Council for a litter bin.
- Ash Road - they heard from Cllr Glover of Ash Council, proposing
a cycle route from New Ash Green, who emphasised road safety
answered their concerns. He pointed out 65% of children
either walked or cycled to Hartley school. They agreed
to look at it further.
- Woodland Avenue - complaints about speeding.
11 June 2007 Present Cllrs
Mrs Burns, Sewell, Abraham, Granger, Mrs Cole, Mrs Oxtoby, Barnett,
Harris, Gaywood, Graeme
Cllr Brazier (Kent County
Council), Mrs Hoad, 11 members of the public
Apologies Cllrs
Ramsay and Minns, Mr Alford
1. Interests Cllr
Sewell - Pond (personal and prejudicial) Cllr Mrs Cole - Skateboard
Park (personal and prejudicial) Cllr Mrs Oxtoby - Hartley Wood
(personal and prejudicial)
2. Minutes of meeting of 14 May 2007 They were agreed
with some amendments as to who is on which committee.
The minutes of the APM of 25 May 2007 were noted.
3. Adjournment Cllr Brazier
reported about the on-line broadcasting of council meetings to begin
in September. He says viewing figures will be small but it
will cost £800,000 - "I'm sure you think it's an excellent
use of your money". He said it was a noble effort to
communicate in different ways, but it is up to people to judge.
Cllr Gaywood said he had met the Duke of Kent at Dunton Green,
where the meat processing plant there was getting the Queen's Award.
Mrs Sharp deplored the treatment Cllr Burns had received at the
recent Youth meeting, she felt the behaviour of many members of
the public there was appalling to say the least. Cllr Gaywood
"totally agreed" with her and felt that he had put a put
a stop to it. It is unacceptable, but unfortunately that is
what people are like. (see also Youth
Committee below)
Mr Mayer raised again the question of grafiti at Rectory Meadow.
Dr Roberts said some had been cleaned, Cllr Gaywood assured
him that the rest was "in hand".
4. Amenities The minutes
of the meeting of 5 June 2007 were noted. It discussed:
- Cricket - they agreed to meet with NAG & Hartley CC
to discuss installing a cricket net at Manor Field. Meopham
CC had asked for a contribution to the £1,500 - £1,800
cost of installing electricity at Longfield Hill. The
committee were in favour in principle but wanted more details.
- Pond - Mr Williams had written on behalf of local residents
(Friends of the Pond) with an offer to renovate the pond. He
had stressed that this would be mostly a pond and not a bog
garden as had been suggested by the council. The committee
had agreed to recommend rescission of that motion, accept the
offer of the Friends to reovate the pond, and to investigate
who owns it. At full council, Cllr Burns was very supportive,
saying it was nice that residents had taken an interest. However
Cllr Gaywood raised a number of objections and wanted the decision
deferred (even though the chairman of the pond committee was
present in the audience, he did not ask him to speak). Cllr
Gaywood asked questions about title and financial planning.
Cllr Abraham seconded the motion. Cllr Oxtoby said
they were looking a gift horse in the mouth and as they didn't
own the pond, they couldn't stop the friends going ahead and
doing it anyway. Cllr Graeme reiterated this point, but
felt that some details hadn't been resolved in his mind. Cllr
Burns queried why the council is now so keen to block the project
when a few meetings ago they were prepared to spend council
money on it? Cllr Cole said the Friends had enough money
and were prepared to spend their own money. Cllr Granger
asked about cost of labour, Cllr Oxtoby said it was all donated.
Cllr Harris said he supported Cllr Gaywood but didn't
want a long deferrment. Cllr Brazier was asked to speak,
he said he wouldn't give any of his £10,000 unless the
parish council ran it. Cllr Burns said deferral would
lose all the good weather, the time to fight for it was now.
Deferral was agreed 5 - 3 (for - Cllrs Granger, Barnett,
Harris, Graeme, Abraham; against - Cllrs Burns, Oxtoby, Cole).
- Hartley Wood - they recommended investigating the installation
of a motor-cycle barrier at Beechlands Close. At full
council it was agreed up to a ceiling of £500.
- Gorse Wood - dead tree by Oaklands, Gorsewood Road, felled
at cost of £150
- Manor Field - (a) Quote of £240 pa to clean shower
heads in pavilion, conduct water temperature tests etc accepted.
(b) Quotations of £115 from Mr Munday to clear bramble,
(c) £260 from Westcut Mowing to fertilise field and mow
orchard, accepted.
- Rectory Meadow - new bylaws adopted by council.
At full council Cllr Gaywood criticised the resident who had
complained to the Standards Board about Cllr Barnett.
5. Communications The minutes
of the meeting of 21 May 2007 were approved. Cllr Burns said
that due to a computer crash, the next newsletter will not be until
June. The website will include Northfield agendas and minutes,
and a picture gallery in future.
6. Planning The minutes of
the meetings of 23 May and 7 June were approved. For details
see planning page.
At the meeting of 23 May it was reported that the council
said they wanted Sevenoaks to contact them in future if they do
not receive a reply to a consultation. This was after the
parish council failed to answer a letter from Sevenoaks about an
application to fell a tree at The Bungalow, Quakers Close.
7. Youth The minutes of
the meeting of 4 June 2007 were approved. It discussed:
- Skateboarding - a spokesman said that, following the "browbeating
by the geriatric hooligan element", they have had to cancel
proposals for a skate park at Woodland Avenue.
- Youth worker - reported on Snowboarding course being run
at present. He hoped to organise paintballing and weekend
residential excursions.
- Youth Zone - to visit Woodland Avenue on 7 August.
- Charlton Athletic - at full council Cllr Sewell reported
they will be at Woodland Avenue doing training on 6 Wednesday
evenings, although residents may complain.
8. Payments Payments of £8,428 for June were
agreed.
Meeting closed at 9.12 pm
25 May 2007 - Annual Parish
Meeting Present Cllrs
Gaywood, Abraham, Sewell, Minns, Ramsay Cllr Brazier (KCC), Dr
Stoate (MP), Community Warden & about 41 members of the public.
Cllr Gaywood apologised for the lack of councillors attending.
1. Prayer The Rector, Rev Richard Worssam, gave a brief
address where he reminded people that once these meetings would
have been convened by the Churchwardens, so Cllr Gaywood is like
a successor to them. Prayer and Lord's Prayer.
2. Dr Howard Stoate, MP for Dartford He said he had
just arrived back from the US, where the Health Select Committee
had gone to see the electronic patient record. He said that
the recent tragic case in the news might have been avoided, had
doctors known their past medical history, rather than believing
they were a new patient.
He gave a review of things he has been involved in:
- Dartford Crossing - he has won argument for 90% reduction
for local area, but details need to be worked out.
- Green Manifesto for Dartford - he has published this and
had copies for distribution at the meeting, it is a series of
suggestions for debate.
- Out of hospital care - he has published a paper for the
Fabian Society ("Challenging
the Citadel") saying there is too much of a preoccupation
with hospitals. He would like to see more community "poly-clinics",
open 24 hours a day. He also wants to see more nurses
in schools to deal with health problems, teenage type 2 diabetes
didn't exist when he was a medical student. He stressed
health is more than just about hospitals, it is housing and
jobs etc too.
- Thames Lightermen - he has helped to ensure they are the
best qualified and that licensing is of the highest standard.
- Cheap Alcohol - he is concerned some supermarkets sell a
litre for as little as 40p, which is irresponsible. The
price of alcohol has fallen in real terms and social problems
ensue. Mr Jones asked where can you buy beer for 40p!
Dr Stoate replied he'd tell him afterwards! Cllr Sewell said
practically every shop in Hartley sells booze and they're told
they can't object. Dr Stoate replied councils can refuse
licenses, if they make daft decisions, hold them to account.
He hoped Hartley's district councillors would take note.
- Copraxomol - he is trying to stop it being phased out for
the small group of people, whom it benefits.
- Chronic Pain Service - he called for improvements, saying
it is essential but overstretched.
- Fat Traps - 1,000 tons of fat are poured into sewers annually,
which causes problems. If businesses used fat traps, much
of the sewer flooding would cease. Mrs Sharp said nappies
were a problem too, they had caused a flood in her garden. Mr
Gronow agreed with Dr Stoate, but added some of the problems
in New Ash Green are inherent, and go back to when the sewer
was first built. Mr Cass put the problem down to the lack
of sewer cleaning these days, Dr Stoate agreed that was a fair
point.
- Post Office - Cllr Sewell raised the potential closure of
post offices. Dr Stoate outlined the problems of the £2-3
million per week losses in the network, which he said can't
go on. It is a radical programme, but they are not being
used. Mrs Adams pointed out that the government hadn't
helped by taking services away from the Post Office. Dr
Stoate said the costs were higher and paying benefits into banks
has reduced fraud and theft. As society changes so do
services.
- Rubbish Collection - Mrs Solman asked whether he was in
favour of a fortnightly collection. He said he favoured
weekly but people will have to learn to recycle more if they
want to reduce the 60-70% of rubbish that goes into landfill.
Cllr Gaywood thanked Dr Stoate for an informative talk, which
was appreciated.
3. Inspector Payne (West Kent Police) He said Hartley
is part of the Swanley area with 2 sergeants, 8 constables and 8
PCSOs, PC Alison Roberts covers Hartley, he said she was very good
and very proactive, for example she is beginning to run monthly
surgeries. He said Sevenoaks district is the safest in Kent
with a 35% fall in crime over the past year, however the fall in
Hartley was 6½%. They have spent £399,000 on
Swanley Police Station, which will enable them to get out to calls
sooner. The government has funded 300 Police Community Support
Officers for Kent and Hartley is near the top of the queue. He
expected there to be one in August or September. PCSOs are
to bring policing to the community, to allow PCs to tackle the more
serious crime.
Mrs Philpot raised the problem of parking on pavements - why
should pedestrians have to walk on the roads? He said offences
do exist, but people have to be reasonable and take account of time
of day or footfall of area. People are unlikely to get a PC
out to deal with this.
Mrs Brooks asked whether PC Roberts was mainly in New Ash Green?
PC Roberts confirmed she was.
Mrs Sharp asked whether they liase with Hartley's very good community
warden Adam. PC Roberts said he reports to her. Mrs
Sharp also raised the problems in Woodland Avenue.
Mr Glover said he rarely sees the police now they have changed
from Gravesend to Tonbridge. He had a good liason with the
Meopham police, but now he only sees the Community Wardens who are
doing a great deal of good. He asked that the police don't
spend all their time in New Ash Green. Inspector Payne said
he could say "authoritatively" that there are more officers
in Swanley now, than when it was part of North Kent.
Rev Worssam asked what was the difference between a Community
Warden and a PCSO? Insp Payne said Wardens were employed by
KCC to work with the community on community issues. PCSOs
are more police based, who deal with minor Anti-social behaviour
etc.
Inspector Payne was thanked by Cllr Gaywood.
4. Parish Plan Mr Cramp, the chairman of the Parish
Plan Committee, gave a report on the progress of the Parish Plan
and Village Design Statement, that were available for people to
read at the meeting. There were no questions.
Break 8.45 - 9.05 pm
5. Report of Parish Council Chairman Cllr Gaywood highlighted
the following matters:
- Council united against inappropriate development. Many
turned down which he is personally happy about, because he doesn't
like development in Hartley
- Amenities - new burial ground has legal obstacles to overcome.
- Rectory Meadow - now a local nature reserve
- Northfield - the new riding route, in the main people are
happy with it
- Woodland Avenue - a potential skateboard park will be discussed
at the next Youth committee meeting
- Pond - he thanked the community wardens who cleared it,
and there has been an offer from a resident to improve it which
will be discussed, but is very encouraging
- Committees - work hard to bring new ideas, he wished the
4 new councillors a rewarding term of office.
5. Finance Cllr Ramsay said the chairman of the committee
was not here, so he is giving report. He said "you lucky
people", as he claimed the council had cut the precept in their
first year of office and had "only" increased it £2,000
in 4 years. He thought they spent "sensibly and wisely".
6. Kent County Councillor Cllr Brazier said he was
glad to "come home" having previously represented Darent
Valley where he didn't live. He is now lead cabinet member
for finance, and responsible for the KCC land portfolio. He
said the increase in council tax was due to less funding from the
government. He added KCC is a 4 star council according to
the Audit Commission.
Highways were bad when the district councils ran them, but now
under KCC control they were turning the corner, and there is money
to solve the Springcroft flooding - his "personal mission".
He said he had helped constituents and attended all Parish Council
meetings.
7. Sevenoaks District Councillors Cllr Ramsay said
Cllr Gaywood is the new chairman of the council (Cllr Gaywood added
his main fear was he wouldn't get re-elected so he could take up
the post). The other bit of "good news" is that he
has been in charge of finance at Sevenoaks for 2 years. He
has reduced the budget and reduced the number of staff by 180. He
refused to fund Stag Theatre which went bust and now the annual
grant to the new body is £60,000 instead of £360,000
as previously. He will keep weekly rubbish collections ("hear,
hear" from parts of the audience). The council has a good report
from the Audit Commission.
8. Public Questions Stack Lane - Mr Cass asked the
council to make the restrictions on traffic in Stack Lane public,
it is often ignored and the road is damaged. Mr Jones said it was
a battlefield with holes in it where people had broken their hip
in the past, and wondered what had happened to proposals for a pavement.
Cllr Gaywood said he will discuss the matter with the clerk.
Springcroft - a resident said she had been told it would go ahead,
but was still concerned because she had lived there 40 years and
so many promises had not materialised. Cllr Brazier said he
was confident that Cllr Ferrin's promise was true.
Woodland Avenue
- Mrs McMahon asked whether anything could be done to stop speeding
in Woodland Avenue? Cllr Brazier said the problem was caused
by inconsiderate drivers and would cost a 4 figure sum. KCC
have dealt with the problem by ignoring it, he feared it would take
a serious accident for this to change. Adam the Community
Warden said local residents can participate in "Speedwatch",
where a camera is supplied by the police and they send letters to
anyone the residents catch.
Local Boards
- Mrs Sharp reported from a visit to a local board meeting in Longfield.
She had found the Dartford County Councillors had £10,000
a year each for them to allocate. She wanted to know how the
Sevenoaks members spent their money. Some debate followed,
when it emerged that money allocated by former county councillor
Tucker for an interactive sign for Hartley, was lost because it
was not spent in time. Cllr Brazier also promised to have
details of spending via this scheme sent to Mrs Sharp.
Libraries
- Mr Cramp raised concerns that the local history collections are
no longer being maintained because of cuts in funding. Cllr
Brazier said if there was a decline in local history service, it
was not a wilful policy. Mr Gronow spoke of how things like
the pond, the Post Office and the Library are fundamental to the
fabric of the village.
Meeting closed at 9.50pm
14 May 2007 Present Cllrs
Gaywood (chairman), Ramsay, Mrs Oxtoby, Sewell, Barnett, Abraham, Graeme,
Minns, Mrs Cole, Grainger
Mrs Hoad (clerk), Cllr Brazier
(KCC), 8 members of the public.
Apologies were received from Cllrs Alford, Mrs Burns and Harris.
Cllr Gaywood welcomed the new members and hoped they would have
an enjoyable time.
1. Election of chairman Cllr Gaywood was elected unopposed
(Proposed - Cllr Oxtoby, seconded Cllr Ramsay).
2. Declarations of acceptance of office Because Cllr
Alford will not be back until July, the council agreed to postpone
his declaration until then, to prevent him ceasing to be a councillor.
3. Election of vice chairman Cllr Abraham proposed
Cllr Oxtoby, but she declined to stand. Cllr Harris was re-elected
unopposed (Prop Cllr Sewell, Sec Cllr Minns).
4. Declaration of interests None
5. Minutes of meeting of 16 April 2007 Agreed.
6. Bank account signatories Cllrs Ramsay, Barnett,
Harris (as before)
7. Committee Membership The councillors were appointed
to the following Committees:
Abraham (Communications, Finance, Planning) Alford (Finance,
planning) Barnett (Amenities, burial, finance) Burns (Burial,
communications, finance, youth) Cole (Amenities, finance, planning) Gaywood
(all ex officio) Granger (Amenities, finance?, highways) Graeme
(Amenities, communications, highways) Harris (all ex officio) Minns
(Burial, highways, planning) Oxtoby (Amenities, burial, communications,
planning) Ramsay (Finance, planning, youth) Sewell (Amenities,
finance, highways, youth)
There was lengthy discussion on who should be on the Special
Projects committee. It was decided to be the chairman and
vice chairman and the chairmen of finance, amenities, burial and
planning. An amendment to add the chairman of the youth committee
was lost 3 votes (Cllrs Oxtoby, Sewell, Minns) to 4 (cllrs Abraham,
Graeme, Barnett, Ramsay). However Cllr Gaywood promised Cllr
Sewell that the issue of the skateboard park would not be referred
to any other committee, Cllr Sewell requested the clerk that this
be minuted.
Representatives:
Abraham (Kent Assn of Parish Councils, Age Concern) Barnett
(Northfield, Action with Communities in Rural Kent, Tree Warden) Burns
(HAWK, Governor Our Lady of Hartley RC school) Gaywood (Northfield) Graeme
(Parish Plan) Richard Jones (Footpaths - non councillor. Cllr
Gaywood said he was "a mine of information") Minns
(Parish Plan) Oxtoby (Northfield, Governor Hartley Primary School) Sewell
(HAWK)
The only opposed election was for Northfield where there were
3 candidates for the 2 remaining places: Cllr Barnett (9 votes),
Cllr Oxtoby (5), Cllr Ramsay (4 - Gaywood, Abrham, Ramsay, Graeme?).
No-one wanted to serve on the crime prevention panel.
8. Council Meetings To
be 11 June, 9 July, 10 September, 15 October, 12 November, 10 December,
14 January 2008, 11 February, 10 March, 14 April and 12 May.
9. Adjournment Mrs
Sharp welcomed new councillors, said she hoped they would support
youth. She said she had seen the new skateboard park at Shoreham,
which Cllr Alison Cook of Sevenoaks thinks will reduce crime.
Mrs Brudenell asked whether councillors
would but party or Hartley first in making decisions? Cllr
Gaywood said they had never voted against Hartley Parish Council.
Mr Mayer reminded him the parish council voted to oppose the
abolition of pensioner bus passes, that all Hartley's Sevenoaks
councillors supported. Cllr Gaywood said it was "ancient
history".
10. Amenities and Open Spaces The
minutes of the meeting of 24 April were approved. It discussed:
- Cricket - fee for New Ash Green
CC to be increased to £900 for 2007 and 2008 seasons.
- Playgrounds - minor repairs expected
to cost about £250.
- Woodland Avenue - Charlton FC
have cancelled the football skills course.
- Gorsewood - 3 trees made safe
after high winds (£250).
- Rectory Meadow - quote of £650
from Gary Hawkins accepted for grass cutting.
- Billings Hill Shaw - residents
call for dog free area due to excessive fouling. Council
decide instead to put up posters and inform dog warden.
- Manor Field Pavilion - recommendation
to be offered free of charge for charity walk on 29 April. After
discussion at full council as to whether it would set a precedent,
Cllr Abraham offered to pay for it himself.
- Routine Maintenance Contract -
only quote from Mr Munday for £5,970 for 2007/8 accepted.
11. Finance The
minutes of the meeting of 18 April 2007 were approved. It
discussed:
- Accounts - the 2006/7 accounts
were agreed and published.
- Post Office - Dr Stoate had replied
he would not support closure if it left people without access.
12. Planning The minutes of
the meetings of 17 April and 1 May were approved. For details
see planning page.
13. Northfield The
minutes of the meeting of 13 April 2007 were noted. It discussed:
- Accounts - 2006/7 accounts were
agreed.
- Horse Riding - open weekend of
17/18 March led to 18 people joining up. However an apparently
concerted campaign of vandalism had occurred with posts being
removed. Notices had been torn up and posted through the
VA's door. Police now examining them for fingerprints.
Committee agreed on new markings and publicity.
- BMX track - committee turned down
VA's suggestion for BMX at New House Shaw.
- Boundaries - log barrier with
Cavan was vandalised, causing concern to landowner, committee
agreed to repair it.
- Substation - they agreed to grant
a sub-lease to EDF energy.
- Wind generator - they turned down
a suggestion to site a turbine on Northfield.
14. Payments Payments
of £9,926 for May were agreed.
Meeting closed at 9.06pm
16 April 2007 Present Cllrs
Gaywood (chairman), Alford, Ramsay, Ward, Mrs Coutts, Mrs Solman,
Mrs Oxtoby, Sewell, Barnett, Harris, Tremain, Abraham, Mrs Burns
Mrs Hoad (clerk), Cllr Brazier
(KCC), 30 members of the public.
1. Interests Cllr
Oxtoby - Hartley Wood (personal) Cllr Barnett - Allotments (personal
& prejudicial) Cllr Harris - Planning item 4 of 13.3.07 and
7 of 3.4.07 (personal)
2. Minutes of meeting of
12 March 2007 Agreed.
3. Adjournment Cllr
Ramsay claimed that under his stewardship the Sevenoaks Council
budget was back on track. It had got a good rating from the
Audit Commission for value for money. As well as Hoselands
Green, the council had had 35 other expressions of interest to take
over land.
Dr Cramp asked whether the
council had considered the sewer pipe at Cherry Trees, which had
collapsed before. Cllr Gaywood said it wasn't a matter for
the parish council.
Dr Roberts asked why Cllrs
Sewell and Burns were made to do a survey for a skateboard park,
when there were none for the pond or horse riding? It is typical
of the council to be inconsistent. Cllr Gaywood said he wasn't
prepared to answer it now.
Mrs Sharp said it was wrong
to use ratepayers' money to tidy Cherry Trees, which was the responsibility
of the landowner.
Mr Roles asked whether the
finance reports were right.
Mr McMahon asked why local
residents were not consulted on the skateboard park before the decision
was taken. Cllr Gaywood said no decision had been but consultation
had been done. Mr McMahon said the Village Advertiser had
been dumped in the woods and the council would be hearing a lot
more. He called for a public meeting, Cllr Gaywood said that
would be "premature"
Another resident asked why
they were considering a skateboard park at Woodland Avenue? It
is "disgusting", children play there, there is glass from
the bottle banks, the site is too small. Cllr Gaywood said
"one or two councillors" thought they should consider
it. Woodland Avenue is the only suitable site.
Another resident said they
lived opposite the park. They claimed 6 councils had to remove
skateboard facilities because of noise and anti-social behaviour.
Cllr Burns said they had consulted other councils.
Mr Mayer asked for the grafiti
on the entrance board to Rectory Meadow to be removed. Cllr
Gaywood said he didn't know about it but it would be removed.
Another resident said the
HAWK website doesn't work. Glen the Youth Worker said it did
but the server had been temporarily down recently.
Mrs Brudenell said had the
number of outings for deprived youth in Hartley been reduced following
the cut in the council's youth budget? Cllr Gaywood said they
hadn't spent it. Cllr Burns replied that was ages before the
end of the financial year. It could have been used on children's
outings rather than cutting grass.
Referring to the fact that
several members of the public were standing or sitting on the floor,
Mr Gibbons asked what happened to the 60 chairs bought when he was
chairman? (applause) Cllr Gaywood said he didn't know.
Mrs Sharp asked if they take
over Hoselands Green, will Sevenoaks pay towards the grass cutting?
Glen Walsh the Youth Worker
asked to be able to speak about the proposed skateboard park. Cllr
Gaywood said no. Several audience members called for him to
be allowed to speak, Cllr Burns reminded Cllr Gaywood he had allowed
negative comments, it was typical that if they doesn't like something,
they don't allow people to speak.
4. Amenities and Open Spaces The
minutes of the meeting of 13 March 2007 were agreed. It discussed:
- Chantry Avenue - a quotation of
£360 from Safeplay to repair the roundabout, and a quotation
of £190 from ASAP to repair the gate there, were accepted.
- Longfield Hill - a quotation of
£186 from Safeplay to repair the gate there was accepted.
- Woodland Avenue - Charlton FC
to run football skills courses one night a week in May and August
- Cricket - sight screens from New
Ash Green to be resited at Manor Field. A practice net
to be erected, and a dip in the outfield repaired.
- Gorse Wood - they accepted quotation
from Quaife Woodlands of £650 to undertake a tree risk
assessment.
- Rectory Meadow - motorbikes reported
there.
- Manor Field Pavilion - they recommended
letting it to Manor Artists and Yoga Groups at reduced fee of
£6.50 an hour (agreed 13-0). At full council Cllr
Harris asked whether this applied to all block bookings, the
reply was yes.
- Pond - they decided clearing the
pond can go ahead, but their bog garden could not at present.
Kent Highways say that they are happy with works so long
as level of water is below outfall pipes, they do have concerns
about bog garden though.
- Hartley Wood - the Land Registry
have refused their adverse possession claim to part of the wood.
At full council, Cllr Alford mentioned motorbikes in the
wood. The Community Warden explained the procedure for
dealing with them, but said Sevenoaks were not as vigorous as
Dartford in dealing with the problem.
5. Burial Ground The minutes
of the meeting of 27 March were approved. It discussed:
- Churchyard - concerns about overhanging
branch from Hartley Court. They demanded the archaeological
spoil be removed. They recommended that Manor Field be
open on Sundays as Church parking (agreed 13-0). At full
council Cllr Harris asked the clerk to check that they are covered
by insurance for this.
- Garden of Rememberance - 2 new
shrubs donated.
- New garden of remembrance - they
accepted quotation of £630 from DS Carpentry & Construction
for new plinth, and now seek quotes for bronze plaque.
6. Communications The minutes
of the meeting of 15 March 2007 were approved. It discussed:
- Annual Report - they accepted
quotes of £550 from Orchard Publishing and £120.60
from Ash Setting and Printing to print and distribute respectively.
At full council Cllr Burns expressed concerns about distribution.
- Website - Dr Cramp's history text
be uploaded to the website.
7. Highways The minutes of
the meeting of 28 March 2007 were approved. It discussed:
- Stack Lane and Manor Drive - these
have been classified as "Restricted Byways" which
means there is only private vehicular access. County to
maintain them to byway standard (horse/cycle)
- Springcroft - subject to a successful
hydrological survey, KCC will install soakaway, and silt traps
in Manor Drive, his financial year.
- Cherry Trees - council still pressing
to remove traffic island. They have also reported car
without tax disc in car park.
- Buses - Cllr Brazier has said
he might use the Member's Community Grant for bus shelter. Arriva
to be asked which is the busiest stop.
8. Planning The minutes of
the meetings of 13 March and 3 April were approved. For details
see planning page.
9. Special Projects The minutes
of the meeting of 3 April were approved. It discussed:
- Hartley Wood - committee claimed
Southwark had supported public access in the wood in the past.
They recommended proceeding with the village green application.
Cllr Burns was concerned about the costs, and said they
shouldn't spend any more money on it. Agreed 11-2 (Cllrs
Burns and Sewell)
- Cherry Trees - they recommended
spending money litter picking on the private land there.
- Gorsewood - they considered plans
to use part of the woodland for housing development by West
Kent Housing Association.
10. Northfield The
minutes of the meeting of 2 March 2007 were noted. It discussed:
- Meadow rolling - they accepted
a quotation of £400 from HF & JH Glover for heavy
rolling (other £570)
- Horseriding - there appear to
be some issues with the Village Association over the terms of
their consent to the route.
- Fun run - they agreed to a request
for a fun run from Mrs H Smith, who will provide dates and a
risk assessment.
- Boundaries - quotation of £562
from Mr Munday for 35m of stock fencing by Court Field accepted
(other quote £663). Same contractor's quote for
£107 to repair Ash Road fencing also accepted.
- Woodland - they accepted the quotation
of £585 from Andy Ball Specialist Tree Services for risk
assessment of New House Shaw. They also agreed to pay
£300 for an additional cut of the grass at Barnett's Wood.
- Single Farm Payment - likely to
be £500 for 2005.
11. HAWK Youth Committee The
minutes of the meeting of 5 December 2006 were noted. It discussed:
- Admin costs - following a review
by Ash Council of their costs of providing admin, it was agreed
to increase the payment to Ash from £1,000 to £3,600
for 2007/8.
- Youth Worker's report - Drugs
education programme hoped to be extended to Hartley in new year.
12. Parish Plan Dr
Cramp gave an update. Cllr Burns asked whether Mrs Sharp's
youth survey had found overwhelming support for BMX and skateboarding.
Mrs Sharp said it had. They agreed 13-0 to adopt the
Village Design Statement.
13. Payments Payments of
£9,399 for April were agreed.
12 March 2007 Present All
councillors (Cllrs Ramsay and Gaywood arrived at 8.45pm after a
meeting at Sevenoaks) - Cllr Harris chaired meeting Cllr Brazier
(KCC), Mrs Hoad (clerk), 10 members of the public.
1. Interests Cllr
Barnett - Allotments (prejudicial)
2. Minutes of meeting of
5 February 2007 Approved 11-0.
3. Adjournment Cllr
Brazier said he is as confident as he can be that there is progress
on the Springcroft flooding. More funds have been allocated
to drainage, and a survey is being conducted to make sure that the
soakaway weill work. He has delivered letters to locals by
hand.
Mr Roles asked if the council
owned the land by Manor Field gate. Cllr Harris said it was
linked to ownership of the pond, the latest evidence they could
find (with the help of Mr Mayer) was 1937 when it belonged to Hartley
Manor. Mrs Sharp reported ducks had settled on the pond to
the delight of the neighbours.
4. Amenities The
minutes of the meetings of 6 and 28 February were approved. It
discussed:
- Manor Field - they are going to
write to the Cricket Club about the condition of the sight screen,
which may be hazardous. They turned down a request from
Longfield Tigers FC for a Under 10 football pitch there because
there wasn't space.
- Pavilion - council agreed to make
the chairman the responsible person for fire safety when not
in use, and adopted an emergency plan.
- Allotments - new rules were agreed.
Cllr Abraham thought they needed to list hazardous chemicals
for the fire brigade, Cllr Sewell thought not if they were small
amounts. They decided to look into this matter further.
They paid £120 to cut down brambles.
- Hartley Wood - they agreed to
pay Above the Canopy £2,872 for treework at the back of
Malvern, viz remove dead wood and ivy, but they rejected the
option of recoppicing.
- Pond - they had commissioned a
survey of the pond at a cost of £400. She had claimed
it wasn't a pond but a drainage ditch. This was disputed
by Cllrs Harris and Sewell. Cllr Sewell said it was the
same as Broadditch Pond in Southfleet only smaller. Having
been given a number of options they decided to reduce the size
of the pond, with the remainder becoming marshland. The
Community Wardens have offered to do the work, all they would
need is a skip and some of the tools, total cost £1,000
maximum. Cllr Barnett said he was generally opposed to
spending money on the pond, but would support this. Cllr
Alford questioned whether they should spend the money on a "roadside
ditch". Cllr Abraham said it would be throwing good
money after bad. Cllr Burns said this hasn't been tried
before and meets everyone's desires, she thought they should
follow the advice received. Cllr Harris said it is a mess,
but he has spoken to people and they want it to stay there.
Cllr Solman said doing nothing was not an option as it
is an eyesore at present. Council agreed 7 votes to 1
(Cllr Sewell, who wanted a different scheme to save the pond)
with Cllr Alford abstaining. They all agreed to apply
for a grant to buy an interpretive board.
5. Finance and General Purposes The
minutes of the meeting of 5 February 2007 were approved. It
discussed:
- Donation of £100 to Kent
Wildlife Trust. Cllr Burns observed that they always seem
to be giving money to them.
- Post Office - council to write
to MP to ask for his opposition to any threat to Hartley Post
Office. Some members refered to the recent newspaper reports,
but Cllr Harris reminded them that it wasn't a post office document.
- Wind Turbine - they agreed to
refer a suggestion for a wind turbine on Northfield to the management
committee. Comment from councillors at parish council
was generally hostile to the idea.
6. Highways The
minutes of the meeting of 28 February were agreed. It discussed:
- Manor Drive - a local resident
expressed concern about the state of the road, but KCC councillor
thought it would be deemed sufficient for its purpose as a restricted
byway.
- Fairby Lane - KCC say they don't
have authority to issue a stopping up order as that section
is not adopted. They say residents could do it at their
own risk.
- Ash Road - interactive sign to
be installed by end of March.
- Buses - Arriva acknowledged problems
over 423 and will be monitoring the situation. A meeting
was held with SDC and Adshel about providing a bus shelter.
7 Planning The
minutes of the meeting of 8 & 27 February were approved. See
planning
webpage.
8 Youth The
minutes of the meeting of 21 February 2007 were agreed. It
discussed:
- Skateboarding - a decision on
the big lottery grant application was expected in December.
They did not want a joint facility with New Ash Green
as it is too far away for most youth. They agreed on the
text of a consultation letter and decided to ask if the Post
Office and Costcutters would have boxes for their return.
9 Payments Payments of £10,301
were agreed.
Meeting closed at 8.55pm
5 February 2007 Present Cllrs
Gaywood (chairman), Ramsay, Mrs Oxtoby, Mrs Burns, Mrs Coutts, Alford,
Tremain, Abraham, Barnett, Harris. Cllr Brazier (KCC), Mrs Hoad
(clerk), 7 members of the public.
1. Interests None
were declared.
2. Minutes of meeting of
8 January 2007 Agreed.
3. Adjournment Cllr
Brazier warned of impending redundancies of 42 senior librarians
to save £580,000. This will go through if people don't
complain before the meeting of the 22nd. He said Unison union
would provide "rentamob" but doesn't blame them, but government
for constant "dumbing down". Looking ahead two libraries
in Sevenoaks district may close but not Hartley.
Cllr Ramsay said Sevenoaks
council had collected £500,000 in back tax recently, and that
the head of planning had been interviewed and told what to do by
council.
Mrs Delf said the tap at the
churchyard needs lagging as it froze again. Cllr Gaywood said
it shouldn't be a problem.
Mr Senneck asked when the
pond would be filled in to provide more parking spaces. Cllr
Gaywood said the suggestion would be taken on board.
Mrs Sharp said she needed
a place to put two donated nesting boxes.
Dr Roberts asked why they
are only applying for village green status on the land in Hartley
Wood owned by Southwark Council. Cllr Barnett said that access
for the rest of the wood was permissive and so they can't claim
it.
4. Burial Ground The
minutes of the meeting of 16 January were approved. It discussed:
- Charges - some fees raised 5-7%
- All Saints' Churchyard - they
want the excess spoil from the archaeological dig removed in
the near future. Hedge by lychgate to be lowered 2 feet,
cost £50.
- Parking - they agreed to cut back
overhanging hedge, which is said to be blocking access. Committee
to see if footballers and cricketers don't mind church using
car park at service times. Cllr Alford said church shouldn't
be charged, which got general sympathy.
- New Burial Ground - a planting
scheme for the planning permission was agreed.
5. Communications The
minutes of the meeting of 1 February were approved. It discussed:
- Advertising - agreed they would
not include this in newsletter.
- Website - they have decided not
to proceed with the forum page.
6. Highways The
minutes of the meeting of 10 January were approved. It discussed:
- Springcroft Flooding
- KCC had told a resident that they might not be able to pump
out flooding in future, due to limited resources
- Quaker's Close - someone
had asked for residents' gates, but was not possible because
it is a public highway.
- Round Ash Way - headteacher
of school said she was not prepared to risk staff safety enforcing
parking restrictions outside school.
- Cherry Trees - committee
called for island to be removed and parking rotated 90°
to accommodate more cars.
- Stack Lane and Manor
Drive - KCC said they had reclassified them as restricted byways
(definition).
They would be maintainable at public expense, but they
won't maintain them to standard suitable for motorised vehicles.
- Buses - complaint to
be made to Arriva for recent poor service on route 423, including
missed hospital appointments. They also want to look at
bus shelters for Cherry Trees and Wellfield (supported 11-0
at full council).
7. Planning The
minutes of the meeting of 9 & 23 January were approved. See
planning
webpage.
8. Youth The
minutes of the meeting of 17 January were approved. It
discussed:
- Skateboarding - they have applied
to the Big Lottery for a park at Woodland Avenue. They
heard it might not need planning permission, but decided to
consult local residents. There was some debate on this
recommendation in full council. Cllr Ramsay said skateboarding
was not asked for by youth, but what they want trips to facilities
outside Hartley. In reply Cllr Harris read a list of facilities
requested in the parish plan survey, which featured swimming
and skateboarding very high, Cllr Burns added the SDC survey
didn't allow them to choose skateboarding. She personally
doubted any young people wanted nature trails locally. Cllrs
Gaywood, Alford and Ramsay wanted any consultation to go back
to council for approval. Cllr Burns asked whether that
meant they didn't trust the committee? Did they want to
approve every newsletter too? Eventually they voted 10-0 to
adopt Cllr Harris's suggestion that all councillors should merely
view the consultation document beforehand.
- Youth Report - a meeting with
youth on 14.12.06 found they complained there was nowhere locally
to go or meet, no lights for football or the youth shelter,
and no nets in the goals. They wanted the following activities
- paintballing, snowboarding, football tournament, sponsored
parachute jump, go to Premiership football or Charlton Community
Football Progamme.
- HAWK - Ash PC to increase charge
for use of office from £1,000 to £3,657, following
a review of costs.
9. Northfield The
minutes of the meeting of 12 January were noted. It
discussed:
10. Payments Payments of
£7,007 were approved.
8 January 2007 Present Cllrs
Gaywood (chairman), Harris, Barnett, Mrs Oxtoby, Mrs Burns, Sewell,
Ward, Ramsay, Mrs Coutts Cllr Brazier (KCC), Mrs Hoad (clerk), 6 members
of the public.
1. Interests Cllr Oxtoby - Hartley Wood
(personal and prejudicial) Cllr Sewell - Shirley Abraham plaque
(neighbour)
2. Minutes of meeting of 11 December 2006 Agreed
without amendment
3. Adjournment (i) Sevenoaks District
Council Cllr Ramsay said (a) the government grant for Sevenoaks
Council had been increased by 2%; (b) following the "fiasco"
of the last election, they had bought the equipment for postal votes
to be scrutinized electronically in May; (c) a complaint against
him and Cllr Gaywood had been dismissed.
(ii) Stocks Farm - Grange Way footpath Mrs Delf said the path
behind the Old Orchard is very muddy and the bridge at Witzies is
difficult to walk over. Cllr Gaywood promised the council
would write to the footpaths representative to investigate.
(iii) Bus passes Dr Roberts asked how much the bus pass scheme
they complained about cost, compared with councillor's allowances?
Cllr Ramsay said both cost £¼ million. So
aren't passes for 9,000 people good value for money? replied Dr
Roberts. Cllr Ramsay claimed his concern was that the government
had promised to finance all the cost.
(iv) Dartford Council Mr Mayer asked whether the council were
aware that, were Hartley to be in Dartford borough, their funding
formula for parishes would mean an additional £10,000 a year
for the parish council, and yet their council tax was the same or
less than Sevenoaks? Cllr Gaywood was not aware, Cllr Ramsay
said the situations weren't comparable. He said Dartford was
classed as deprived.
(v) URC Church Mr Senneck asked whether the rumour he had
heard that it is for sale was true? Neither Cllr Gaywood nor
Cllr Harris had heard this, Cllr Harris did say the rumour of a
JCB at the back turned out to be at the garage.
(vi) Council procurement policy Mrs Brudenell asked questions
about the tender exercise for tree work at Hartley Wood. Apparently
the two that arrived on time had been opened, but now they are waiting
for a third. Mrs Hoad said they had opened them because they
wanted to get some idea of what they were going to pay.
(vii) Pond Mrs Sharp asked whether Kent County Council money
were still available? Cllr Brazier said he can't pay the money to
an individual, they need a sponsor. It turned out that Mrs
Sharp is still waiting for a reply from the council to her request
for them to sponsor it.
4. Amenities and Open Spaces The minutes of the meeting
of 3 January 2007 were approved. It discussed:
- Playgrounds - the cost of inspections with Craigdene Ltd
is likely to be £772.50 in 2007, this will be reviewed
in October.
- Manor Field Pavilion - the following action points
were referred by a fire risk assessment, which the committee
dealt with: (1) Kitchen - faulty self closer, redundant empty
extinguisher, fire action sign inappropriate; (2) All areas
- emergency lighting should be regularly tested, no means of
warning of fire, no guidance on fire safety, no responsible
person nominated (council
did not resolve this last issue)
- Hartley Wood - the Land Registry
has rejected the current adverse possession claim, they decided
to write in with further evidence. Cllr Barnett claimed
that several plots had not been sold by the Fawkham Development
Company and therefore he thought they had no owner. Cllr
Ramsay said he was surprised the Registry had said no, Cllr
Gaywood said the draft letter needed "editing" before
despatch. Cllr Harris sought assurances they were not
paying for treework on land they don't own, Cllr Barnett said
the money spent was on their land. They had received 2
quotes for treework, but deferred to await a third quote.
5. Planning See
planning
webpage.
6. HAWK The
meeting of 5 December discussed:
- Funding - the administration costs
would be increased from £1,000 to £3,600 in the
year 2007/8, as most of this charge is falling on Ash parish
council at present.
- 8-12s club - starting in New Ash
Green in January 2007.
- Skateboard Park - a group called
the Grungers are collecting names for a bid. Ash Parish
Council "progressing" this.
- Trip to Thorpe Park - a success
7. Hartley Court Green This
provoked some debate. A local resident had offered to put
a plaque on the tree, in memory of Shirley Abraham, the wife of
Cllr Abraham.
This was opposed by Cllrs Oxtoby and
Ramsay. Cllr Oxtoby said it was a kind thought but the proposed
recipient was not that special to Hartley as a village. Cllr
Coutts said she was well known. Cllr Barnett said the place
for trees and plaques was Northfield. Cllr Harris said he
had considered the issue long and hard and decided to vote against
because of the precedent it sets, and people might trip over it.
Cllr Burns said the council had already set a precedent by
putting a plaque on Hoselands Hill for someone who wasn't from Hartley,
and as for tripping over wouldn't people do that on the plaques
in Northfield too? The donor who was in the audience said
it was not that sort of plaque and that you couldn't trip over it.
Put to the vote 0 votes for and 5 against (Cllrs Ramsay, Ward,
Oxtoby, Barnett, Harris). Cllr Burns said she had abstained
because no-one had said what Cllr Abraham's views were.
8. Payments Payments
of £6,657 for January were agreed.
Meeting closed at 8.45pm.
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